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SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Stone - 07-17-2021 One can only find two articles on SSPX websites (and only one of those with actual commentary) on the motu proprio of Pope Francis' Traditionis Custodes of July 16, 2021, reversing Pope Benedict XVI's "permission" for the Tridentine Mass. The first article is on the SSPX's Australian and New Zealand website (there is nothing so far on the website of the 'General House' nor the 'District of the USA') which is merely a reprinting of an article from Rorate Caeli, entitled, "Legal Considerations on the motu proprio Traditionis Custodes" - Restrictions demand strict interpretation by Fr. Pierre Laliberté, J.C.L.*. The only SSPX website with a (brief) commentary on the Pope's new motu proprio is on the French SSPX site, La Porte Latine. Here is the (google-translated) English version of the commentary, which is then simply followed by the actual motu proprio and accompany Letter from Francis. Quote: That's it. A big nothing-burger, as they say. A very short, crisp quote from Archbishop Lefebvre. A summary of the facts of the motu proprio. No defense of the true Mass, no rebuttal, no answer, no plan for how the SSPX will move forward. And all this only if one is able to read French (or at least know how to computer translate) ... RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Stone - 07-17-2021 Perhaps it would have been a helpful reminder by the SSPX to their priests and faithful of Pope St. Pius V's bull Quo Primum, which grants in perpetuity, the right of every single Catholic priest to say the Tridentine Mass: Quote:Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman Church, the Mother and Teacher of the other churches, and let Masses not be sung or read according to any other formula than that of this Missal published by Us. This ordinance applies henceforth, now, and forever, throughout all the provinces of the Christian world, to all patriarchs, cathedral churches, collegiate and parish churches, be they secular or religious, both of men and of women – even of military orders – and of churches or chapels without a specific congregation in which conventual Masses are sung aloud in choir or read privately in accord with the rites and customs of the Roman Church. This Missal is to be used by all churches, even by those which in their authorization are made exempt, whether by Apostolic indult, custom, or privilege, or even if by oath or official confirmation of the Holy See, or have their rights and faculties guaranteed to them by any other manner whatsoever. [...] RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Stone - 07-17-2021 One would have hoped too that the SSPX would reinforce the many great words of Archbishop Lefebvre on the Conciliar machinations:
But perhaps the SSPX knows they've been slimed by the Conciliar slaver, they know they can only squeak whereas before they roared. They know that these words of Archbishop Lefebvre cannot be repeated by them (with their now-needed permissions for marriages, ordinations, etc.) because they too have willingly placed themselves in an 'adulterous union' with modernist Rome: “There will be possibly other manifestations of putting the brakes on by the Vatican; and it is very, very dangerous for us to "rally" ourselves now. No rallying, no rallying to the liberals; no rallying to the ecclesiastics who are governing in the Church now and who are liberals; there is no rallying to these people. From the moment when we rally ourselves, this rallying will be the acceptance of the liberal principles. We cannot do this, even if certain appeasements are given us on the Mass of St. Pius V - certain satisfactions, certain recognitions, certain incardinations, which could even be offered to you eventually... They must give us back everything. They must give up their liberalism, they must come back to the real truth of the Church, to the faith of the Church, to the basic principles of the Church, of this total dependence of society, of families, of individuals on Our Lord Jesus Christ! At that moment when they give us the Mass of all times, very well, then, we are completely in agreement. Then there will be a perfect understanding, we will be able to be recognized, and we will have no more scruples. But as long as one is dealing with people who have made this agreement with the Devil, with liberal ideas, we cannot have any confidence. They will string us along little by little; they will try to catch us in their traps, as long as they have not let go of these false ideas.” (Conference of Archbishop Lefebvre to the priests of the District of France. Dec. 13, 1984) May Our Lady protect those in the SSPX truly trying to honor Her Son and enlighten them with regards to the present trap they are in... RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - 70three - 07-17-2021 (07-17-2021, 07:31 AM)Stone Wrote: One would have hoped too that the SSPX would reinforce the many great words of Archbishop Lefebvre on the Conciliar machinations: RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Marcel - 07-17-2021 The SSPX already accepted Vatican ii, it’s New Mass, it’s Sacraments, it’s new Code, etc in the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration. Their in the same position as the FSSP, ICK, and all the other Ecclesia Dei communities. RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Stone - 07-20-2021 While this stern reply from the SSPX is not it's official response to Pope Francis' Traditionis Custodes - what is taking so long, we don't know - it is somewhat refreshing to see them attempt to stand up to modernist Rome. But is it too little, too late? For example:
Let us continue to pray for all the good souls and priests still in the SSPX, that with this latest machination by Pope Francis to destroy the remaining vestiges of Tradition, their eyes are opened to the dangerous road the SSPX is on... One last point: It is a little worrisome that this article by the SSPX news team keeps propping up Summorum Pontificum - it is mentioned six times in this article (it is nearly the only reference point utilized by the Ecclesia Dei communities and the indult groups!) and only once is Quo Primum mentioned below. This is interesting because Summorum Pontificum insists, as does Pope Francis' motu proprio, that the Novus Ordo Missae is the official Missae of the Conciliar Church and that all priests who are 'allowed' to say the Tridentine Mass, must accept Vatican II! Is this not a questionable focal point for the SSPX!? Last, last point: While it is laudable that this article by the SSPX news team mentions adherence to Archbishop Lefebvre, one would imagine that some pertinent words of his would be included. Some words against the modernists in Rome pulling these strings, some mention of how we must avoid the New Mass, some reference to the importance of not making any concessions or deals until Rome is converted... It's almost as if he is a mascot, a silent mascot. From Summorum Pontificum to Traditionis Custodes, or From the Reserve to the Zoo
JULY 19, 2021SOURCE: FSSPX.NEWS (slightly adapted) What follows is an article giving initial thoughts prepared by the FSSPX.News team. An official statement will be released from the General House of the Society of Saint Pius X in due course. On July 16, 2021, Pope Francis issued a motu proprio whose title could be a harbinger of hope: Traditionis custodes, “Guardians of Tradition.” Knowing that he is addressing the bishops, one might begin to dream: might Tradition be recovering its rights within the Church? On the contrary. This new motu proprio undertakes an elimination. It illustrates the precariousness of the current magisterium and signals the expiration date of Benedict XVI’s Summorum pontificum, which has not even celebrated its fifteenth anniversary. Everything, or just about everything in Summorum pontificum, is scattered, abandoned, or destroyed. The purpose, moreover, is clearly stated in the letter which accompanies this liquidation. The pope lists two principles “on how to proceed in dioceses”: Quote:on the one hand, to provide for the good of those who are rooted in the previous form of celebration and need to return in due time to the Roman Rite promulgated by Saints Paul VI and John Paul II, and, on the other hand, to discontinue the erection of new personal parishes tied more to the desire and wishes of individual priests than to the real need of the 'holy People of God.' A scheduled extinction While Francis defends an endangered animal or plant species, he decides and promulgates the extinction of those who are attached to the immemorial rite of the Holy Mass. This species no longer has the right to live: it must disappear. And all means will be used to achieve this result. And first, a strict reduction in freedom. Until now, the locations reserved for the ancient rite had a certain latitude of movement, a bit like reservations. Today we have switched to the zoo regime: cages, narrowly circumscribed and demarcated. Their number is strictly monitored, and once installed, it will be forbidden to provide any more. The guardians - or should we say the jailers? - are none other than the bishops themselves. All this is specified in article 3, §2: “The bishop of the diocese… . is to designate one or more locations where the faithful adherents of these groups may gather for the eucharistic celebration (not however in the parochial churches and without the erection of new personal parishes).” The internal regulations of these jails are strictly controlled (article 3, §3): “The bishop … is to establish at the designated locations the days on which eucharistic celebrations are permitted using the Roman Missal promulgated by Saint John XXIII in 1962.” This control extends to the least little detail (ibidem): “In these celebrations the readings are proclaimed in the vernacular language, using translations of the Sacred Scripture approved for liturgical use by the respective Episcopal Conferences.” No question of using Dom Lefebvre’s translation [or the Douay Rheims] or an old lectionary. Euthanasia is envisioned for the specimens judged unsuitable for palliative care (article 3, §5): “The bishop is … to proceed suitably to verify that the parishes canonically erected for the benefit of these faithful are effective for their spiritual growth, and to determine whether or not to retain them.” The reserve is abolished as a whole, since the Ecclesia Dei Commission disappears (article 6): “Institutes of consecrated life and Societies of apostolic life, erected by the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, fall under the competence of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies for Apostolic Life.”. Migrants prohibited While the pope does not stop caring for all types of migrants, the prisons he installs are strictly forbidden from all intrusion. To be sure that wildcat reservations are not set up, the pope forbids any extensions of the prison (article 3, §6): “The bishop (...) will take care not to authorize the constitution of new groups.” This measure is akin to sterilization: it is forbidden to reproduce and perpetuate these savages of the past who must disappear. This sterilization also concerns priests who will be ordained in the future (article 4): “Priests ordained after the publication of this Motu proprio, who intend to celebrate with the Missale Romanum of 1962, must make a formal request to the diocesan bishop who will consult the Apostolic See before granting the authorization.” Regarding priests who already have authorization, they henceforth need a renewal of their “celebratory” pass, which is apparently a temporary visa (article 5): “Priests who already celebrate according to the Missale Romanum of 1962 should request from the diocesan bishop the authorization to continue to enjoy this faculty.” Thus, if it is a question of restraining, reducing, or even destroying groups, the bishops have carte blanche, but if it there is a need to grant authorization, the pope does not trust them: it is necessary to go through Rome. While dozens of priests, often supported by their bishops, have defied the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith by “blessing” homosexual couples, without any Roman reaction, except a veiled approval by Francis through his message to Fr. Martin, future priests will be closely watched if they are thinking about celebrating according to the Mass of St. Pius V. Obviously, it is easier to conceal your lack of authority by terrorizing the faithful who will not resist, than to mitigate the German schism, believing there is nothing more urgent than striking this part of the flock. Vaccination against “Lefebvrism” The great fear of contamination by the Lefebvrist virus is exorcised by the obligatory Vatican II vaccine – from the Moderno laboratory, (article 3, §1): The bishop “is to determine that these groups do not deny the validity and the legitimacy of the liturgical reform, dictated by Vatican Council II and the Magisterium of the Supreme Pontiffs.” And anything that could be a source of potential infection is eliminated without pity (article 8): “Previous norms, instructions, permissions, and customs that do not conform to the provisions of the present Motu Proprio are abrogated.” Carried away by his enthusiasm, the pope almost comes to the point of saying that it is the Old Mass which is a dangerous virus that must be defended against. Thus, in Article 1 he specifies: “The liturgical books promulgated by Saint Paul VI and Saint John Paul II, in conformity with the decrees of Vatican Council II, are the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite.” If the Novus ordo is the soul expression of lex orandi, how is the Tridentine Mass to be qualified? Is it in a state of liturgical or canonical weightlessness? Does it not even have a right to a place beside the Dominican Rite, the Ambrosian Rite, or the Lyonnais Rite in the Latin Church? This is what seems to emerge from what the pope says in the letter accompanying the motu proprio. Without seeming to suspect the paralogism he is committing, he writes: “I take comfort in this decision from the fact that, after the Council of Trent, St. Pius V also abrogated all the rites that could not claim a proven antiquity, establishing for the whole Latin Church a single Missale Romanum. For four centuries this Missale Romanum, promulgated by St. Pius V was thus the principal expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite, and functioned to maintain the unity of the Church.” The logical conclusion which flows from this comparison is that this rite must be maintained. Especially as the bull Quo primum of St. Pius V protects it from all attacks. This was confirmed by the commission of cardinals convened by John Paul II, who said almost unanimously (8 out of 9) that a bishop could not prevent a priest from celebrating it, after unanimously stating that it had never been forbidden. And this is what Pope Benedict XVI accepted and endorsed in Summorum pontificum. But for Francis, the ancient rites maintained by St. Pius V, including the Tridentine Mass, seem to have no unifying value. The new rite alone, with its fifty years of existence, infinite variations, and innumerable abuses, is capable of giving liturgical unity to the Church. The misunderstanding is glaring. Returning to his idea of eliminating the species, the pope writes to the bishops: “It is up to you to proceed in such a way as to return to a unitary form of celebration, and to determine case by case the reality of the groups which celebrate with this Missale Romanum.” A law clearly opposed to the common good The general impression that emerges from these documents – the motu proprio and the accompanying letter from the pope - gives the impression of sectarianism coupled with an overt abuse of power. The traditional Mass belonging to the most intimate part of the common good in the Church. Restricting it, pushing it into ghettos, and ultimately planning its demise, can have no legitimacy. This law is not a law of the Church, because, as St. Thomas says, a law against the common good is no valid law. There is also, in the ins and outs, an obvious tinge of the resentment manifested by certain angry proponents of the liturgical reform against the traditional mass. The bankruptcy of this reform is underlined, as in a chiaroscuro, by the success of Tradition and the Tridentine Mass. That’s why they cannot take it. No doubt imagining that its total disappearance will make the faithful return to churches emptied of the sacred. Tragic mistake. The magnificent development of this celebration worthy of God only underscores their poverty: it is not the cause of the desertification produced by the new rite. The fact remains that this motu proprio, which will sooner or later end in the oblivion of the history of the Church, is not good news in itself: it marks an abrupt end in the reappropriation of its Tradition by the Church, and it will delay the end of the crisis which has already been going on for more than sixty years. As for the Society of Saint Pius X, it finds there a new reason for loyalty to its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, and admiration for his foresight, his prudence, and his faith. While the traditional Mass is in the process of being phased out and the promises made to the Ecclesia Dei societies are so well kept, it finds in the freedom left to it by its iron bishop, the possibility of continuing to fight for the faith and the reign of Christ the King. RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Stone - 07-23-2021 Fr. Pagliarani, the Superior General of the SSPX, just put this letter out yesterday, published in English today (July 23, 2021). Overall, it is a good letter but there is a great emphasis on the Mass alone, the treasure of the Tridentine Mass, it's exalted rank. And every bit of that is true. However, it is quite important to remember that it is not the Mass alone that divides traditional Catholics from the Conciliar Church. The New Mass, the Novus Ordo Missae, is a product of the Revolution at Vatican II but it is not the Revolution itself. By the SSPX focusing solely on the Old Mass vs. the New Mass, the fundamental issues, the crux of the matter, the heart of the problem is ignore - the false Doctrine emanating from Vatican II, the founding of a New Faith, a New Religion: Quote:“I never… I don’t accept the Council! Because you are destroying the Catholic State in the name of the Council! It is sure! It is evident!…This Council gives the same rights to error as to Truth! That is impossible…This new faith, it is a New Religion. It is a Protestant Religion. That is a fact! How is it possible that the Pope gives the authorization to this change? How it is possible that the pope can sign this constitution (on liturgical change)? It is a deep mystery…If I take the position of the Council, I am betraying my Mother Church.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, conference, 1976) Fr. Pagliarani follows Pope Francis' lead in the motu proprio by focusing on the Mass and the differences between the two Masses. Perhaps this is because the SSPX has already formally accepted Vatican II, has accepted the 'legitimate promulgation' of the New Mass, has accepted the New Code of Canon Law of Vatican II, etc. in the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration that the SSPX cannot in all honesty discuss much more than the Mass. While individual SSPX priests may still preach as the old SSPX did, may preach against the errors of Vatican II, we haven't really heard such words from the SSPX hierarchy since 2012. May Our Lady preserve the good intentioned souls in Tradition everywhere, that they realize where the true battle lies, that it is not just about the Mass. It is about the Catholic Faith, the Faith that was trampled upon during and after Vatican II. Many Catholics down the centuries were deprived of the true Mass but kept their Faith. ✠ ✠ ✠
Quote: RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Beth Cline - 07-27-2021 Does Fr. Pagliarani's letter leave anyone else wondering exactly WHY "these clear-cut measures do not directly affect the Society of Saint Pius X" , as he stated in his first paragraph? Why did he fail to explain this great detail so necessary to understand how the SSPX plans to navigate through this? Have they decided to disobey Pope Francis? Have they already been granted permission from the Novus Ordo to continue offering the true Mass? Are they simply going to continue as they are until pressed on the matter by the Novus Ordo? Honestly, I'm still asking the same questions I was asking before I read it. Did I miss something...? Also, can we really take his praise of the Traditional Mass seriously after they degraded it by their praise of Pope Benedict's Summorum Pontificum in 2007 and their claiming the Novus Ordo Mass was "legitimately promulgated" in their 2012 SSPX Doctrinal Declaration? RE: SSPX Responds (?) to Traditionis Custodes - Stone - 07-28-2021 (07-27-2021, 08:49 PM)Beth Cline Wrote: Does Fr. Pagliarani's letter leave anyone else wondering exactly WHY "these clear-cut measures do not directly affect the Society of Saint Pius X" , as he stated in his first paragraph? Why did he fail to explain this great detail so necessary to understand how the SSPX plans to navigate through this? Well said! More left unsaid than said. |